1 00:00:25,689 --> 00:00:22,099 welcome to shattered reality with their 2 00:00:29,060 --> 00:00:25,699 hosts Kate Valentine and ferocious 3 00:00:33,710 --> 00:00:29,070 prepare to have a paradigm shifted into 4 00:00:39,410 --> 00:00:33,720 truths questioned and now shattered 5 00:00:42,350 --> 00:00:39,420 reality we just got our paradigm shifted 6 00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:42,360 no problem but my fist Americans however 7 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:44,670 are you doing I'm doing great 8 00:00:54,590 --> 00:00:48,570 Kate is escape right here yes for OSHA 9 00:00:59,810 --> 00:00:54,600 and we are shattered reality and today 10 00:01:05,060 --> 00:00:59,820 is November 3rd 2015 we've gotten 11 00:01:08,390 --> 00:01:05,070 through the Halloween mm-hmm madness All 12 00:01:10,790 --> 00:01:08,400 Saints Day and All Souls Day and today 13 00:01:14,900 --> 00:01:10,800 we have somebody really really special 14 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:14,910 for you a star of stage and screen mr. 15 00:01:20,390 --> 00:01:17,850 Todd Robbins who is a New York 16 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:20,400 city-based performer and he spent 17 00:01:27,260 --> 00:01:24,210 decades specializing in arcane forms of 18 00:01:31,580 --> 00:01:27,270 popular entertainment offbeat amusements 19 00:01:34,580 --> 00:01:31,590 and intriguing deceptions in addition he 20 00:01:39,050 --> 00:01:34,590 is a wonderful pianist plays some 21 00:01:43,730 --> 00:01:39,060 fabulous stride piano and right now he 22 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:43,740 is the star of you want to tell us God 23 00:01:49,850 --> 00:01:46,890 well it's a new TV series on 24 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:49,860 Investigation Discovery called true 25 00:01:57,290 --> 00:01:55,200 nightmares and it is quirky tales of 26 00:01:59,980 --> 00:01:57,300 murder and mayhem that all have a 27 00:02:04,160 --> 00:01:59,990 wonderful ironic twist to them and that 28 00:02:06,999 --> 00:02:04,170 will make you smile darkly and and so 29 00:02:10,940 --> 00:02:07,009 did you did you write this as well as 30 00:02:12,860 --> 00:02:10,950 you know be the interlock at or well 31 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:12,870 there's a good you don't hear anyone 32 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:15,690 talking about into lockers anymore 33 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:19,810 yes I had a hand in creating this it all 34 00:02:23,700 --> 00:02:21,010 came out of a show that I did 35 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:23,710 off-broadway a while back called play 36 00:02:29,390 --> 00:02:24,730 dead haha 37 00:02:32,910 --> 00:02:29,400 and yes and in that show I was telling 38 00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:32,920 stories about real people who were now 39 00:02:38,430 --> 00:02:36,640 dead and some good and some not so good 40 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:38,440 and you got a sense that these people 41 00:02:42,420 --> 00:02:40,450 were gone but they weren't far away and 42 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:42,430 they came back to play and when they did 43 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:43,930 it was not pretty 44 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:48,330 it scared the shellac out of people and 45 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:51,730 from that discovery the discovery 46 00:02:56,729 --> 00:02:55,209 communications heard about it and asked 47 00:02:59,490 --> 00:02:56,739 me if I would be interested in doing a 48 00:03:01,500 --> 00:02:59,500 TV series and I said yes and we played 49 00:03:04,949 --> 00:03:01,510 around with how to make this work and 50 00:03:07,110 --> 00:03:04,959 the results are true nightmares and the 51 00:03:10,220 --> 00:03:07,120 fun thing about it what sets it apart is 52 00:03:13,410 --> 00:03:10,230 like many other series that we do on 53 00:03:15,270 --> 00:03:13,420 investigation discovery this this one's 54 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:15,280 a little bit different in that it uses 55 00:03:20,610 --> 00:03:18,730 things like reenactments of the crimes 56 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:20,620 and interviews with people that were 57 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:24,130 involved or experts in the topic being 58 00:03:30,630 --> 00:03:27,970 discussed but in those reenactments i'm 59 00:03:32,910 --> 00:03:30,640 ghosted into them so that you'll see a 60 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:32,920 scene where it'll be a husband and wife 61 00:03:36,449 --> 00:03:34,600 and they'll get into an argument and she 62 00:03:38,310 --> 00:03:36,459 picks up a knife and starts to go for 63 00:03:39,780 --> 00:03:38,320 him and just then the camera pulls back 64 00:03:41,910 --> 00:03:39,790 and at the other end of the dining room 65 00:03:43,949 --> 00:03:41,920 tables I'm sitting there and looking up 66 00:03:45,390 --> 00:03:43,959 at the camera and I look up the camera 67 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:45,400 say this is where things took an ugly 68 00:03:51,690 --> 00:03:49,540 turn so it has this kind of fun ride bit 69 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:51,700 of humor about it very Alfred Hitchcock 70 00:03:56,699 --> 00:03:55,090 very Rod Serling and the difference is 71 00:04:00,180 --> 00:03:56,709 that what we're doing the stories are 72 00:04:05,340 --> 00:04:00,190 all true indeed indeed I was 73 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:05,350 particularly impressed would be maybe to 74 00:04:11,850 --> 00:04:09,310 light a word horrified it may be through 75 00:04:17,659 --> 00:04:11,860 serious word but not not too much too 76 00:04:21,210 --> 00:04:17,669 serious with the Ed Gein story yeah yes 77 00:04:22,140 --> 00:04:21,220 yeah he was a very dark fellow to say 78 00:04:24,270 --> 00:04:22,150 the least 79 00:04:25,740 --> 00:04:24,280 he was the inn's as we say in the 80 00:04:28,620 --> 00:04:25,750 episode he was the inspiration for 81 00:04:31,650 --> 00:04:28,630 psycho and 82 00:04:34,470 --> 00:04:31,660 because he was Ed Gein was the darkest 83 00:04:39,180 --> 00:04:34,480 most twisted mama's boy that has ever 84 00:04:41,460 --> 00:04:39,190 lived and he also a couple of the 85 00:04:44,310 --> 00:04:41,470 characters in Silence of the Lambs and 86 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:44,320 even Leatherface from the from the Texas 87 00:04:52,830 --> 00:04:48,850 Chainsaw Massacre had the origins in the 88 00:04:55,140 --> 00:04:52,840 in the life and times of Ed Gein my 89 00:04:57,810 --> 00:04:55,150 goodness and and where did he live in 90 00:04:59,970 --> 00:04:57,820 Illinois or Ohio where bested Oh 91 00:05:03,570 --> 00:04:59,980 Wisconsin with planes Plainfield 92 00:05:06,810 --> 00:05:03,580 Wisconsin hmm and what's interesting is 93 00:05:10,020 --> 00:05:06,820 that he was dominated at a very 94 00:05:14,430 --> 00:05:10,030 domineering mother who was fanatically 95 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:14,440 religious and when she died there was a 96 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:17,170 great void left in his life and he 97 00:05:23,910 --> 00:05:20,080 filled that by doing some very very dark 98 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:23,920 things robbing the graves of older women 99 00:05:27,630 --> 00:05:25,930 and digging up their bodies and bringing 100 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:27,640 them back and dismembering them and 101 00:05:33,570 --> 00:05:29,650 doing all kinds of nasty awful things 102 00:05:38,490 --> 00:05:33,580 with him including making a suit that he 103 00:05:43,050 --> 00:05:38,500 could wear of human skin and but here's 104 00:05:44,610 --> 00:05:43,060 the thing that I find that I find kind 105 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:44,620 of interesting is that while he was 106 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:47,440 doing this he made his living doing odd 107 00:05:55,860 --> 00:05:49,450 jobs around the community including 108 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:55,870 being a babysitter there are people 109 00:06:03,120 --> 00:05:58,570 today that are live in paid Plainfield 110 00:06:06,090 --> 00:06:03,130 Wisconsin that remember being tucked in 111 00:06:07,890 --> 00:06:06,100 by Ed Gein and the last thing they saw 112 00:06:12,420 --> 00:06:07,900 is they were drifting off asleep was a 113 00:06:14,630 --> 00:06:12,430 smiling smiling mr. Gaines face he was 114 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:14,640 probably pretty good with children oh 115 00:06:24,090 --> 00:06:21,490 yes he found them delicious no yeah no 116 00:06:26,730 --> 00:06:24,100 he never did anything it was mostly that 117 00:06:31,050 --> 00:06:26,740 that relationship and he and he did kill 118 00:06:33,510 --> 00:06:31,060 a couple of women during his time for 119 00:06:36,180 --> 00:06:33,520 whatever whatever reason we're we don't 120 00:06:39,090 --> 00:06:36,190 we never quite and knew with him he did 121 00:06:41,980 --> 00:06:39,100 confess to it all but to say the least 122 00:06:45,909 --> 00:06:41,990 he was not mentally 123 00:06:48,010 --> 00:06:45,919 stable and and ended up spending his 124 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:48,020 life in a mental institution for the 125 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:49,490 rest of his years was there any 126 00:07:01,270 --> 00:06:54,110 indication that he was a consumed human 127 00:07:03,129 --> 00:07:01,280 flesh please I don't there's I don't 128 00:07:05,409 --> 00:07:03,139 think there was any cannibalism going on 129 00:07:07,629 --> 00:07:05,419 because mainly these were dead bodies 130 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:07,639 that he was digging up some of them had 131 00:07:14,830 --> 00:07:09,970 been in the ground for a while however 132 00:07:20,529 --> 00:07:14,840 he did he did have a soup bowl made out 133 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:20,539 of a human skull hmm okay you know the 134 00:07:29,020 --> 00:07:27,130 name of the show is shattered reality I 135 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:29,030 think you've done it 136 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:31,130 Edward and we're nine minutes into the 137 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:36,410 show I have a strange question for you I 138 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:38,570 know it's something that you might know 139 00:07:46,150 --> 00:07:41,650 did you know Doug Henning at all Todd 140 00:07:48,610 --> 00:07:46,160 yes I did I didn't know him well the 141 00:07:54,279 --> 00:07:48,620 reason why I'm asking is because I 142 00:07:59,170 --> 00:07:54,289 recently heard on another podcast that 143 00:08:01,890 --> 00:07:59,180 he surely before his untimely death in 144 00:08:06,189 --> 00:08:01,900 2000 I think it was with there abouts 145 00:08:09,399 --> 00:08:06,199 and how old was he then about 50 45 he 146 00:08:11,589 --> 00:08:09,409 was not that old I don't think it was 147 00:08:21,430 --> 00:08:11,599 older than you think I really I don't 148 00:08:23,589 --> 00:08:21,440 know offhand how Doug was but a fact 149 00:08:27,790 --> 00:08:23,599 I've got my computer up here I'm just 150 00:08:31,659 --> 00:08:27,800 gonna well I will tell you what I was 151 00:08:37,050 --> 00:08:31,669 wondering about he apparently said to 152 00:08:43,269 --> 00:08:37,060 somebody that he had been studying with 153 00:08:48,540 --> 00:08:43,279 Maharishi somebody in Switzerland and he 154 00:08:53,110 --> 00:08:48,550 had discovered the the skill of 155 00:08:57,150 --> 00:08:53,120 levitation and apparently levitated on 156 00:09:04,319 --> 00:09:01,170 and if you being a magician and this not 157 00:09:06,749 --> 00:09:04,329 being on stage this being just in a 158 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:06,759 hallway somewhere or between rooms 159 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:08,290 something of that nature 160 00:09:19,499 --> 00:09:11,970 what you know and and thinking about 161 00:09:22,110 --> 00:09:19,509 Douglas Hume was the Briton the Scottish 162 00:09:24,930 --> 00:09:22,120 fellow who used to levitate back about a 163 00:09:27,509 --> 00:09:24,940 hundred and fifty years ago what do you 164 00:09:29,790 --> 00:09:27,519 think the chances are that mr. Henning 165 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:29,800 actually learned to levitate before his 166 00:09:34,769 --> 00:09:33,130 untimely passing which by the way you 167 00:09:37,110 --> 00:09:34,779 are right I thought he was older he was 168 00:09:40,710 --> 00:09:37,120 52 years old which interestingly was the 169 00:09:52,019 --> 00:09:40,720 same age as Harry Houdini so there you 170 00:09:55,850 --> 00:09:52,029 go I mean I know the name but he was a 171 00:09:59,610 --> 00:09:55,860 Canadian magician who came to fame on 172 00:10:02,910 --> 00:09:59,620 Broadway back in the nineteen 1970s in a 173 00:10:06,180 --> 00:10:02,920 show called the magic show and he became 174 00:10:09,870 --> 00:10:06,190 kind of iconic character in that he had 175 00:10:11,699 --> 00:10:09,880 long curly hair and a a little walrus 176 00:10:16,379 --> 00:10:11,709 moustache and there kind of a buck 177 00:10:19,379 --> 00:10:16,389 toothed grin about him and he his take 178 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:19,389 on magic he really revitalized magic in 179 00:10:26,309 --> 00:10:23,370 the 1970s in them his feeling was and 180 00:10:29,250 --> 00:10:26,319 not only on stage Rauf stage was that 181 00:10:31,740 --> 00:10:29,260 the world was filled with wonders and 182 00:10:33,780 --> 00:10:31,750 that if you just open yourselves to them 183 00:10:37,460 --> 00:10:33,790 it's amazing what you can experience and 184 00:10:40,740 --> 00:10:37,470 he didn't present himself as the Caped 185 00:10:43,050 --> 00:10:40,750 top-hatted man of mystery and power he 186 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:43,060 really positioned himself very much as a 187 00:10:49,100 --> 00:10:46,510 guide to this world of mystery and it 188 00:10:51,629 --> 00:10:49,110 was such a really wonderful charming and 189 00:10:56,970 --> 00:10:51,639 in perfect timing 190 00:10:58,710 --> 00:10:56,980 for this kind of dynamic in an 191 00:11:00,689 --> 00:10:58,720 entertainment he was also very charming 192 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:00,699 and very very funny and very good at 193 00:11:08,189 --> 00:11:05,170 what he did and so he ended up doing a 194 00:11:09,300 --> 00:11:08,199 number of specials on NBC that were done 195 00:11:12,030 --> 00:11:09,310 live with special 196 00:11:15,890 --> 00:11:12,040 guest hosts people like Orson Welles and 197 00:11:18,420 --> 00:11:15,900 and there was wonderful because 198 00:11:20,130 --> 00:11:18,430 magically hadn't been done live on TV 199 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:20,140 and he wanted to stress that everything 200 00:11:24,510 --> 00:11:21,730 that the audience was seeing was exactly 201 00:11:26,190 --> 00:11:24,520 what their in the studio who were the 202 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:26,200 people at home what they were seeing was 203 00:11:29,010 --> 00:11:27,850 exactly what the people in the audience 204 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:29,020 were saying there were no camera tricks 205 00:11:33,030 --> 00:11:30,130 used whatsoever 206 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:33,040 and it was quite quite wonderful and 207 00:11:38,790 --> 00:11:35,770 quite charming and then the early 80s he 208 00:11:42,180 --> 00:11:38,800 basically retired the number of reasons 209 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:42,190 for it not the least of which is that he 210 00:11:48,930 --> 00:11:45,330 his spiritual leanings were towards 211 00:11:51,390 --> 00:11:48,940 Eastern mysticism and he did study with 212 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:51,400 the Maharishi yogi who was the same man 213 00:11:57,150 --> 00:11:54,690 who founded TM Transcendental Meditation 214 00:12:00,060 --> 00:11:57,160 practice that people like the Beatle 215 00:12:02,730 --> 00:12:00,070 it's also embraced for a while 216 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:02,740 and he decided that he was going to 217 00:12:09,090 --> 00:12:06,490 devote his his life there after he had 218 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:09,100 all the money he needed he and his wife 219 00:12:17,940 --> 00:12:14,170 and they would he would just pursue that 220 00:12:19,890 --> 00:12:17,950 he did do one last thing see there was a 221 00:12:23,790 --> 00:12:19,900 show on Broadway in which he played a 222 00:12:26,010 --> 00:12:23,800 young Merlin the famous wizard which 223 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:26,020 which is interesting in that the it 224 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:29,710 introduced his co-star was Chita Rivera 225 00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:34,450 the great actress and also a Nathan Lane 226 00:12:43,550 --> 00:12:36,910 made his Broadway debut in that in that 227 00:12:45,780 --> 00:12:43,560 show playing his her sniveling son and 228 00:12:49,110 --> 00:12:45,790 I've swapped the show and it had some 229 00:12:51,870 --> 00:12:49,120 wonderful magic in him anyway so he 230 00:12:54,410 --> 00:12:51,880 retired and then he came down with 231 00:12:57,300 --> 00:12:54,420 cancer he wanted to open up a 232 00:13:00,930 --> 00:12:57,310 Transcendental Meditation amusement park 233 00:13:02,550 --> 00:13:00,940 in India and he worked very hard on that 234 00:13:04,230 --> 00:13:02,560 for a while but it just became too much 235 00:13:07,579 --> 00:13:04,240 of a daunting task and then his health 236 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:07,589 declined and he came down with cancer 237 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:11,290 there are those who believe that in the 238 00:13:17,699 --> 00:13:14,890 early stages of the disease that it was 239 00:13:20,060 --> 00:13:17,709 his belief that with enough meditation 240 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:20,070 he could overcome the disease 241 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:22,570 unfortunately that 242 00:13:29,190 --> 00:13:25,210 not the case and when it became a little 243 00:13:30,990 --> 00:13:29,200 too late to do anything other than say 244 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:31,000 goodbye that's exactly what he did he 245 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:33,730 resurfaced after a number of years in 246 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:34,450 isolation 247 00:13:43,170 --> 00:13:37,930 away from the the circles that he 248 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:43,180 traveled in and he was seen in magic 249 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:45,850 shops like Tannen's magic shop in New 250 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:47,770 York and in a place like the Magic 251 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:51,010 Castle in Hollywood and no one knew how 252 00:13:54,900 --> 00:13:52,570 sick he actually was he was always kind 253 00:13:57,660 --> 00:13:54,910 of thick as the thin and a little bit 254 00:14:00,060 --> 00:13:57,670 scrawny of fellow anyway so the end 255 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:00,070 result was that shortly thereafter he 256 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:01,810 passed away mm-hmm 257 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:06,010 and in regard to the levitation it's 258 00:14:11,150 --> 00:14:08,370 hard to say the fact of the matter is 259 00:14:13,650 --> 00:14:11,160 look there is a very effective 260 00:14:17,130 --> 00:14:13,660 levitation that can be done impromptu 261 00:14:20,940 --> 00:14:17,140 that gives which gives it its power it's 262 00:14:24,210 --> 00:14:20,950 not people that see it sometimes later 263 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:24,220 on exaggerated in their mind and their 264 00:14:28,770 --> 00:14:25,750 imagination exaggerated what they 265 00:14:31,940 --> 00:14:28,780 actually experienced the reality is 266 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:31,950 levitating a few inches off the floor 267 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:34,690 some people will say they person did 268 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:36,130 more than a foot some will even say 269 00:14:39,540 --> 00:14:37,090 further than that 270 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:39,550 the irony of it is it was also that very 271 00:14:44,130 --> 00:14:41,410 same levitation was done by David Blaine 272 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:44,140 as an impromptu demonstration got him 273 00:14:52,410 --> 00:14:48,730 his first TV special on ABC so I don't 274 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:52,420 know what Doug did at that point he was 275 00:14:58,350 --> 00:14:55,150 a lovely man I I will tell you a very 276 00:15:01,190 --> 00:14:58,360 brief story when I was but a boy I was 277 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:01,200 at a magic convention in Vancouver and 278 00:15:05,970 --> 00:15:04,450 they had a competition there was a youth 279 00:15:08,730 --> 00:15:05,980 competition and there was a senior 280 00:15:10,890 --> 00:15:08,740 competition and I was in the youth 281 00:15:15,660 --> 00:15:10,900 competition and there was also a little 282 00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:15,670 boy there who was about 7 years old 283 00:15:21,930 --> 00:15:19,120 about the 6 years old about the age of 284 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:21,940 my son a little younger and he did a few 285 00:15:27,270 --> 00:15:24,130 tricks and then they didn't go that well 286 00:15:29,790 --> 00:15:27,280 but it was alright and it turns out he 287 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:29,800 was the son of the man who sponsored the 288 00:15:34,860 --> 00:15:31,750 convention a year before in Salt Lake 289 00:15:35,790 --> 00:15:34,870 City which was not financially viable 290 00:15:38,269 --> 00:15:35,800 that 291 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:38,279 mention and the man had to end up 292 00:15:43,740 --> 00:15:40,690 mortgaging his house in order to pay all 293 00:15:45,329 --> 00:15:43,750 the bills in that magic convention those 294 00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:45,339 things could magic and magicians 295 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:47,440 conventions don't just magically appear 296 00:15:52,860 --> 00:15:50,010 they there they could be very expensive 297 00:15:55,860 --> 00:15:52,870 so everyone was you know happy to see 298 00:15:58,530 --> 00:15:55,870 him and happy to see his son I did my 299 00:16:03,000 --> 00:15:58,540 act and I was well received and then on 300 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:03,010 the adult competition there was a young 301 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:05,050 man who did a number of tricks including 302 00:16:09,389 --> 00:16:06,910 what was known as the miss maid flag it 303 00:16:11,850 --> 00:16:09,399 was a lovely lovely trick in which some 304 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:11,860 silk handkerchiefs are put into a a roll 305 00:16:16,620 --> 00:16:14,170 a piece of newspaper and you blow them 306 00:16:18,930 --> 00:16:16,630 out and they've turned into a flag one 307 00:16:20,940 --> 00:16:18,940 of the things fell out as he was doing 308 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:20,950 it and the flag was Miss maid and was 309 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:22,450 missing something in the center and he 310 00:16:26,940 --> 00:16:24,490 picked up the the red silk handkerchief 311 00:16:29,069 --> 00:16:26,950 that had fallen he put them all together 312 00:16:30,690 --> 00:16:29,079 rubbed it a little bit open it up and 313 00:16:33,690 --> 00:16:30,700 all of a sudden it had restored and it 314 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:33,700 turned into the flag of Canada and it 315 00:16:37,170 --> 00:16:35,050 was really charming he did a couple 316 00:16:39,930 --> 00:16:37,180 other things there were great and he 317 00:16:41,430 --> 00:16:39,940 this guy had travelled across Canada to 318 00:16:43,949 --> 00:16:41,440 be at the convention he was in on a 319 00:16:47,639 --> 00:16:43,959 motorcycle in a sidecar with a German 320 00:16:49,110 --> 00:16:47,649 Shepherd dog and we were at the the 321 00:16:55,710 --> 00:16:49,120 University of British Columbia 322 00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:55,720 it's about 1970 70 or 71 and I really 323 00:16:58,650 --> 00:16:57,279 liked his act very much I went up and I 324 00:17:00,500 --> 00:16:58,660 talked to him he was a very nice guy 325 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:00,510 they decided because there were so few 326 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:02,529 participants in the contest that they 327 00:17:08,010 --> 00:17:05,110 would combine them all and just give one 328 00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:08,020 award for best magician of the year and 329 00:17:12,569 --> 00:17:10,870 I was all excited because I thought I 330 00:17:14,460 --> 00:17:12,579 did very well I thought he did very well 331 00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:14,470 and they gave you know they had a big 332 00:17:20,970 --> 00:17:16,240 awards banquet and they gave it to the 333 00:17:23,130 --> 00:17:20,980 six-year-old kid which and I looked at 334 00:17:24,329 --> 00:17:23,140 him and he looked at me this this other 335 00:17:27,150 --> 00:17:24,339 guy and we kind of shrugged her 336 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:27,160 shoulders and it's basically the thought 337 00:17:32,690 --> 00:17:28,690 was that show business that's the way 338 00:17:34,860 --> 00:17:32,700 things work and that was Doug Henning 339 00:17:36,870 --> 00:17:34,870 right after that he went down to the 340 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:36,880 Magic Castle in Los Angeles and study 341 00:17:41,490 --> 00:17:39,610 with a great magician there a wonderful 342 00:17:43,380 --> 00:17:41,500 magician named dive Vernon learned 343 00:17:45,090 --> 00:17:43,390 sleight of hand and presentation from 344 00:17:49,010 --> 00:17:45,100 from died and then went back up to 345 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:49,020 Canada put together a show up there with 346 00:17:52,460 --> 00:17:50,880 director ivan reitman who later went on 347 00:17:55,580 --> 00:17:52,470 to do a little thing called ghostbusters 348 00:17:57,770 --> 00:17:55,590 as a movie and that became the magic 349 00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:57,780 show and went to Broadway and that was 350 00:18:02,300 --> 00:17:59,520 the thing so I did get a chance to see 351 00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:02,310 Doug shortly before he died it was at 352 00:18:08,210 --> 00:18:05,790 Tannen's magic shop and it was nice to 353 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:08,220 kind of reconnect and I told him that 354 00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:10,110 story and he remembered it remember that 355 00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:14,160 fondly and and I didn't realize that 356 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:16,080 that was going to be about the last time 357 00:18:20,450 --> 00:18:18,210 so so that's my that's my connection 358 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:20,460 with Doc ending well it's interesting to 359 00:18:26,810 --> 00:18:23,850 know for certain from you that indeed 360 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:26,820 mr. Henning did have this spiritual bent 361 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:29,520 towards the end of his life so we are 362 00:18:35,060 --> 00:18:33,210 left wondering and just we can leave 363 00:18:37,580 --> 00:18:35,070 that in mystery as to whether he 364 00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:37,590 actually levitated and the reason why I 365 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:39,960 asked is because the gentleman who 366 00:18:45,130 --> 00:18:42,450 brought up the story on his podcast was 367 00:18:48,530 --> 00:18:45,140 convinced that mr. Henning had indeed 368 00:18:51,140 --> 00:18:48,540 levitated and also because I always 369 00:18:53,090 --> 00:18:51,150 dream that I'm levitating literally I I 370 00:18:56,270 --> 00:18:53,100 don't dream of it like I Dream of 371 00:19:00,110 --> 00:18:56,280 Jeannie but I dream that I'm levitating 372 00:19:02,450 --> 00:19:00,120 in some of my sort of lucid dreams and 373 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:02,460 so it's always a it's always been a 374 00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:05,910 fascination with Hume you know the this 375 00:19:13,100 --> 00:19:10,310 man sure I also I also had that dream 376 00:19:15,710 --> 00:19:13,110 one time and it was a very vivid dream I 377 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:15,720 was floating up and up and in over 378 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:18,210 houses and over buildings and it was so 379 00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:21,690 so real that the next morning I thought 380 00:19:26,060 --> 00:19:23,400 maybe this is crazy but I want to give 381 00:19:27,950 --> 00:19:26,070 this a try so I was lying down on the 382 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:27,960 floor and I just concentrated and 383 00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:29,610 concentrated and concentrated to see if 384 00:19:33,650 --> 00:19:31,350 I could float up into the air like that 385 00:19:34,550 --> 00:19:33,660 and it didn't work I only got about four 386 00:19:37,460 --> 00:19:34,560 inches off the ground 387 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:37,470 oh all right sorry well practice makes 388 00:19:43,340 --> 00:19:40,290 perfect but there are a number exactly 389 00:19:45,380 --> 00:19:43,350 who do seem to have out body experiences 390 00:19:48,290 --> 00:19:45,390 in one way I have to get into an 391 00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:48,300 out-of-body experience is through a 392 00:19:53,330 --> 00:19:50,880 lucid dream you know when you realize 393 00:19:56,390 --> 00:19:53,340 you're dreaming and it's a lucid dream 394 00:19:59,870 --> 00:19:56,400 you can sort of command yourself to try 395 00:20:02,710 --> 00:19:59,880 to go somewhere else in reality and it 396 00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:02,720 sometimes works for some some individual 397 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:06,360 yeah the the idea of guided dreaming is 398 00:20:12,289 --> 00:20:08,490 means really fascinating and is 399 00:20:15,789 --> 00:20:12,299 definitely worth more study I also find 400 00:20:21,889 --> 00:20:15,799 scrying is a very interesting phenomenon 401 00:20:24,019 --> 00:20:21,899 and and you know that has very ancient 402 00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,029 origins and you know exactly what that 403 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:27,120 is is a really lovely mystery well one 404 00:20:33,639 --> 00:20:29,730 of the most fascinating aspects of 405 00:20:40,450 --> 00:20:33,649 scrying is the idea of a psychomanteum 406 00:20:48,230 --> 00:20:46,070 NOT the okay let me enlighten thank you 407 00:20:52,810 --> 00:20:48,240 Miss Kate Valentine as well as our 408 00:21:02,090 --> 00:20:59,419 okay but basically scrying is looking 409 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:02,100 through some surface which is like water 410 00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:10,639 object or that surface okay now a 411 00:21:22,639 --> 00:21:17,460 psychomanteum is a room or a room let's 412 00:21:26,750 --> 00:21:22,649 call it a room it is a sensory deprived 413 00:21:29,419 --> 00:21:26,760 place not as much as a tank like you can 414 00:21:31,159 --> 00:21:29,429 go into a sensory deprivation floating 415 00:21:32,210 --> 00:21:31,169 tank we're not talking about that though 416 00:21:34,060 --> 00:21:32,220 that's fun too 417 00:21:37,279 --> 00:21:34,070 but this is generally a room that 418 00:21:40,639 --> 00:21:37,289 soundproofed hung with black velvet in 419 00:21:42,289 --> 00:21:40,649 the center of the room is like a rounder 420 00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,299 type chair where you can put your feet 421 00:21:48,019 --> 00:21:45,360 up and lean back and you look into this 422 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:48,029 mirror and there's maybe one candle 423 00:21:55,100 --> 00:21:52,289 between you and the mirror and you might 424 00:21:58,370 --> 00:21:55,110 be listening to some sort of sounds like 425 00:22:03,110 --> 00:21:58,380 Hema sink as we discussed my normal 426 00:22:08,180 --> 00:22:03,120 binaural beats and many people report 427 00:22:11,659 --> 00:22:08,190 seeing the visit of beloved ones that 428 00:22:15,049 --> 00:22:11,669 have departed if anyone would out there 429 00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:15,059 would like to sponsor me in making a 430 00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:16,080 psychomanteum 431 00:22:21,230 --> 00:22:19,740 I would welcome that but go ahead Todd 432 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:21,240 what's your experience with that well 433 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:23,730 you know I've just played around with a 434 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:28,370 little bit and I not had the greatest 435 00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:31,769 results but at the same time I sense 436 00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:34,230 there's something there I became kind of 437 00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:37,799 fascinated reading the you know books by 438 00:22:43,700 --> 00:22:41,220 Raymond Moody of course and and he has a 439 00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:43,710 whole thing on the psychomanteum in in 440 00:22:49,070 --> 00:22:47,039 his book and setting that up and and it 441 00:22:55,180 --> 00:22:49,080 is it is a very powerful experience we 442 00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,190 do in in play dead I've been I've done a 443 00:23:02,930 --> 00:22:57,360 little bit more elaborate thing many 444 00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:02,940 many years ago when I was 30 I don't 445 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:04,710 know if you you might have actually been 446 00:23:11,299 --> 00:23:08,130 there I did a birthday party on my 30th 447 00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:11,309 birthday for sure I don't know if if you 448 00:23:19,340 --> 00:23:16,260 and Wilberforce Shaw were there or not 449 00:23:22,399 --> 00:23:19,350 but I gathered a bunch of people I 450 00:23:25,820 --> 00:23:22,409 really want to just do table tipping and 451 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:25,830 play with that and it grew and grew as 452 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:27,450 the word got out and before I know it I 453 00:23:33,799 --> 00:23:29,850 had fifty people who wanted to attend so 454 00:23:36,019 --> 00:23:33,809 I rented a room rehearsal hall and set 455 00:23:38,419 --> 00:23:36,029 up a bunch of tables and put out thirty 456 00:23:42,649 --> 00:23:38,429 candles as was my birthday after all and 457 00:23:46,180 --> 00:23:42,659 basically did a little talk about that 458 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:46,190 birthdays as your child or about 459 00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:52,850 expansion life ever expanding and new 460 00:23:58,730 --> 00:23:55,110 responsibilities and opportunities and 461 00:24:02,269 --> 00:23:58,740 then you hit about 21 and all of a 462 00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:02,279 sudden its birthdays can be kind of a 463 00:24:07,310 --> 00:24:03,870 reminder that you're running out of time 464 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:07,320 and I joked that on my 30th birthday I 465 00:24:11,539 --> 00:24:09,690 could no longer really can be considered 466 00:24:14,299 --> 00:24:11,549 if I drop dead the next day as 467 00:24:18,769 --> 00:24:14,309 dramatically dying young and not along 468 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:18,779 the lines of the of of James Dean or you 469 00:24:25,460 --> 00:24:23,130 know someone like that and so I it was 470 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:25,470 important to kind of do what you want to 471 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:26,490 do and this is one of the things I 472 00:24:29,290 --> 00:24:27,050 wanted 473 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:29,300 and as I was saying this and explaining 474 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:30,290 what I want to do 475 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:32,450 I was extinguishing the candles one at a 476 00:24:37,690 --> 00:24:34,250 time until we were in complete darkness 477 00:24:38,830 --> 00:24:37,700 and I basically said that I just wanted 478 00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:38,840 people to open themselves to the 479 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:40,550 experience and see what would happen and 480 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:43,250 that it's very possible that you would 481 00:24:49,630 --> 00:24:46,490 hear voices that the tables will move 482 00:24:52,420 --> 00:24:49,640 they might tip if they tip if and and 483 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:52,430 knock against the floor and it'd be 484 00:24:59,680 --> 00:24:55,610 worth asking a question with one knock 485 00:25:01,950 --> 00:24:59,690 for yes two knocks for no and it's 486 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:01,960 possible you will hear voices but 487 00:25:06,490 --> 00:25:04,730 spirits don't come to us if that's what 488 00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,500 you want to call them as we've seen in 489 00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:08,240 movies they speak to you in your inner 490 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:10,550 ear they they reached and touch you in 491 00:25:13,930 --> 00:25:12,530 your soul and your in your mind's eyes 492 00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:13,940 what you will see 493 00:25:19,180 --> 00:25:16,880 so therefore open yourselves to the 494 00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:19,190 experience and let's just all take a 495 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:22,510 breath and we did a little breathing and 496 00:25:28,210 --> 00:25:24,650 we were sitting there in the dark for 497 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:28,220 maybe five minutes before I heard some 498 00:25:34,660 --> 00:25:31,490 wrestling wrestling and the room table 499 00:25:38,650 --> 00:25:34,670 started to move they were people that 500 00:25:42,430 --> 00:25:38,660 were hearing things and seeing things so 501 00:25:45,220 --> 00:25:42,440 it's a very similar kind of experience I 502 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:45,230 think I had something that was either 503 00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:47,450 that or something right after that where 504 00:25:53,230 --> 00:25:50,240 you were sort of wasn't play dead yet 505 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:53,240 but it was in a rehearsal hall and you 506 00:26:03,960 --> 00:25:57,050 were kind of in a transitory position 507 00:26:08,410 --> 00:26:03,970 between got thirtieth birthday and stuff 508 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:08,420 if I might ask - just how did you get 509 00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:10,610 into this is this is really your life 510 00:26:22,510 --> 00:26:18,790 learned all about this yeah I learned 511 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:22,520 all about the stuff in prison no no no 512 00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:28,810 no no no no no please I grew up in a 513 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:31,220 suburban community in Southern 514 00:26:38,230 --> 00:26:36,050 California now that is enough 515 00:26:40,450 --> 00:26:38,240 explanation right there for most people 516 00:26:41,950 --> 00:26:40,460 as to why I'm so 517 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:41,960 fascinated with things that are twisted 518 00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:44,810 and dark and disturbing but it goes 519 00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:48,590 little further than that I it was clean 520 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:53,840 it was safe it was quiet it was pleasant 521 00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:56,210 it was everything my parents who had 522 00:26:59,530 --> 00:26:57,890 grown up in the Depression fought in 523 00:27:02,680 --> 00:26:59,540 World War two lose everything they 524 00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,690 wanted and it was a lovely place to grow 525 00:27:05,530 --> 00:27:04,400 up there's no two ways about it it had 526 00:27:10,290 --> 00:27:05,540 everything you could possibly want 527 00:27:14,140 --> 00:27:10,300 except real character and excitement and 528 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:14,150 it the area we were in was on the 529 00:27:22,450 --> 00:27:16,850 outskirts of Long Beach California which 530 00:27:24,790 --> 00:27:22,460 was a town that had blossomed and the 531 00:27:29,110 --> 00:27:24,800 early part of the 20th 20th century and 532 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:29,120 then aged and when I was growing up 533 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:32,810 there in the 60s and in the 1970s it was 534 00:27:36,550 --> 00:27:34,610 a place that some of the old areas you 535 00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:36,560 stayed away from because they were no 536 00:27:42,220 --> 00:27:40,000 longer clean safe quiet and pleasant but 537 00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:42,230 those are the areas that were filled 538 00:27:49,570 --> 00:27:46,190 with with so much character homes and 539 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:49,580 buildings of wonderful architectural 540 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:53,090 whimsy Victorian houses and these great 541 00:27:59,380 --> 00:27:57,650 old brownstone buildings and the other 542 00:28:02,200 --> 00:27:59,390 thing about it is being out there the 543 00:28:03,550 --> 00:28:02,210 weather is so so good that it doesn't 544 00:28:06,180 --> 00:28:03,560 have the wear and tear that you have 545 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:06,190 back here on the East Coast so 546 00:28:13,780 --> 00:28:10,250 structures had a tendency to live on for 547 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:13,790 many many years in basically unchanged 548 00:28:18,460 --> 00:28:16,010 form there was no need for vinyl siding 549 00:28:23,170 --> 00:28:18,470 and things like that so so much of it 550 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:23,180 was untouched and unrenovated and I'm 551 00:28:27,550 --> 00:28:25,610 modernized and I love that there was 552 00:28:32,290 --> 00:28:27,560 even though I really didn't spend any 553 00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:32,300 time there a couple of times I did go 554 00:28:35,140 --> 00:28:33,200 there I was very young 555 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:35,150 couldn't appreciate it there was a place 556 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:36,530 there was an amusement park down there 557 00:28:40,890 --> 00:28:38,090 called the pike which was very much like 558 00:28:43,090 --> 00:28:40,900 the Coney Island of the West Coast and 559 00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:43,100 when my parents would go out of town 560 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:46,400 they would bring in a babysitter a 561 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:50,290 lovely woman and Betty Betty Sears and 562 00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:53,850 she would take us down 563 00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,120 town shopping or to see a movie and one 564 00:29:02,360 --> 00:28:59,340 of these group wonderful movie palaces 565 00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:02,370 not the multiplex that I popped up at 566 00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:05,880 the mall in Orange County but you know 567 00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:07,740 one of these like the Fox West Coast 568 00:29:12,620 --> 00:29:10,200 theater the grand leader you know and 569 00:29:14,150 --> 00:29:12,630 yeah and I'd loved all this as a matter 570 00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,160 of fact from the first movie I remember 571 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:16,320 seeing in a movie theater was splendour 572 00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:17,250 in the grass 573 00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:23,910 which I was about four years old she 574 00:29:28,010 --> 00:29:25,740 wanted to see it and she just took took 575 00:29:29,210 --> 00:29:28,020 me along and I remember the name of it 576 00:29:34,850 --> 00:29:29,220 because I thought it was about laundry 577 00:29:38,649 --> 00:29:34,860 about gardening so I remember nothing 578 00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:38,659 about it but I think is a good thing but 579 00:29:44,539 --> 00:29:41,700 it was just going down there in the 580 00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:44,549 little old run-down not right now but 581 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:48,600 kind of little tawdry little diners and 582 00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:51,809 and the cafeterias and in the stores 583 00:29:58,399 --> 00:29:55,440 with the the shop workers there that had 584 00:30:01,100 --> 00:29:58,409 been there 40 50 or more years and I 585 00:30:03,890 --> 00:30:01,110 just loved all that and I met a number 586 00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:03,900 of folks at a magic shop that opened in 587 00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:05,820 our neighborhood when I was 10 years old 588 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:10,980 and these were just really great again 589 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:13,530 character filled people number of them 590 00:30:17,419 --> 00:30:15,450 not the best people in the world I must 591 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:17,429 admit looking back they were a little 592 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:19,049 shady to say the least 593 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:21,690 and but they were entertaining as all 594 00:30:27,140 --> 00:30:24,330 get-out so I was kind of taken with that 595 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:27,150 and I just soaked it all up so that I 596 00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:29,880 realize now that things have become so 597 00:30:34,850 --> 00:30:32,700 homogenized in our popular entertainment 598 00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:34,860 and culture that this was the last 599 00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:37,140 chance to kind of get a hold of all that 600 00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:40,950 kind of wonderful stuff that you know 601 00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:43,679 the sort of the greatness that America 602 00:30:48,169 --> 00:30:46,049 was built upon it was not you know and 603 00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:48,179 it's not so much the triumphant and the 604 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:50,760 successes of our nation as it is the 605 00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:53,490 kind of dark history that really defined 606 00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:57,059 who we are and so I always loved this 607 00:31:00,200 --> 00:30:58,110 and then I have this wonderful 608 00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:00,210 opportunity to kind of show this 609 00:31:06,139 --> 00:31:03,990 appreciation for this because there is 610 00:31:10,299 --> 00:31:06,149 darkness within us all yes 611 00:31:13,939 --> 00:31:10,309 and it's sort of like somebody had 612 00:31:17,629 --> 00:31:13,949 pointed out today on social media that 613 00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:17,639 perhaps Scandinavia was not the paradise 614 00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:21,179 that some seems to seem to think and I i 615 00:31:26,989 --> 00:31:24,299 quick back to them that well in fact 616 00:31:29,809 --> 00:31:26,999 I've been in Scandinavia and it's it's 617 00:31:32,989 --> 00:31:29,819 not half bad there but people have the 618 00:31:37,789 --> 00:31:32,999 freedom to be who they really are and 619 00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:37,799 sometimes it's damned weird yes yes 620 00:31:43,419 --> 00:31:40,169 so getting back to your wonderful news 621 00:31:48,649 --> 00:31:43,429 show which we want to promote a bit here 622 00:31:50,959 --> 00:31:48,659 do you have perhaps a story which verges 623 00:31:53,149 --> 00:31:50,969 on the paranormal from the show that you 624 00:31:55,879 --> 00:31:53,159 would like to talk about because well of 625 00:31:58,939 --> 00:31:55,889 course we talk here about edge science 626 00:32:01,489 --> 00:31:58,949 and parapsychology and the paranormal 627 00:32:05,149 --> 00:32:01,499 and well there's there's a great deal of 628 00:32:09,789 --> 00:32:05,159 mystery in almost each and every story 629 00:32:15,259 --> 00:32:09,799 that we delve into here one of my 630 00:32:18,469 --> 00:32:15,269 favorites is not a murder but was a 631 00:32:23,689 --> 00:32:18,479 strange case that was in our first 632 00:32:27,259 --> 00:32:23,699 episode and it was about a young man 633 00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:27,269 named Angelo Hays in who was lived in 634 00:32:38,059 --> 00:32:34,289 France in the 1930s and how it turned 635 00:32:42,069 --> 00:32:38,069 out the way it did is a really wonderful 636 00:32:47,899 --> 00:32:42,079 mystery he was a young man 19 years old 637 00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:47,909 who was kind of a live fast kind of 638 00:32:54,169 --> 00:32:51,689 fellow teenagers you can imagine and one 639 00:32:56,839 --> 00:32:54,179 of the things he loved so very much in 640 00:32:58,279 --> 00:32:56,849 life was his motorcycle and his mother 641 00:33:00,259 --> 00:32:58,289 kept trying to get him to wear a helmet 642 00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:00,269 but he never liked it cos messed up his 643 00:33:07,069 --> 00:33:04,409 hair and sure enough one day he went 644 00:33:09,949 --> 00:33:07,079 around a corner a little too fast even 645 00:33:12,019 --> 00:33:09,959 though it was an expert driver a writer 646 00:33:14,479 --> 00:33:12,029 I should say even though there was 647 00:33:16,339 --> 00:33:14,489 nothing wrong with the road even though 648 00:33:17,980 --> 00:33:16,349 he wasn't going that fast and even 649 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:17,990 though there was no weather 650 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:19,610 there was nothing slick on the road or 651 00:33:26,260 --> 00:33:21,890 anything he had a terrible accident and 652 00:33:28,630 --> 00:33:26,270 was killed it's a sad story but where he 653 00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:28,640 gets strange is that shortly before he 654 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:31,400 was killed his father took out a life 655 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:36,650 insurance policy on him mm-hmm and the 656 00:33:42,850 --> 00:33:39,890 day after he was killed the father filed 657 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:42,860 for the I think it was $200,000 or 658 00:33:46,450 --> 00:33:44,330 whatever it was it was a sizable amount 659 00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:46,460 of money 660 00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,460 sounds pretty cold it sounds cold it 661 00:33:53,770 --> 00:33:51,440 sounds a little suspicious ELISA did to 662 00:33:57,310 --> 00:33:53,780 the insurance company so they 663 00:33:59,890 --> 00:33:57,320 investigated because you know life 664 00:34:02,320 --> 00:33:59,900 insurance policies is not unusual but on 665 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:02,330 a 19 year old mm-hmm 666 00:34:06,460 --> 00:34:04,490 but taken out by his father you think it 667 00:34:11,050 --> 00:34:06,470 would be the other way around right and 668 00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:11,060 it happened so soon before this accident 669 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:15,889 so suspicion was raised and then even 670 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:19,490 more so when they investigated the crash 671 00:34:23,379 --> 00:34:21,290 site and found all these things that it 672 00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:23,389 wasn't that that sharp of a corner he 673 00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,190 wasn't going singing that fast the 674 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:27,440 weather was fine it seemed to be nothing 675 00:34:31,930 --> 00:34:29,510 wrong with the motorcycles what exactly 676 00:34:33,879 --> 00:34:31,940 had happen and certainly decided to look 677 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:33,889 at the autopsy report and if there was 678 00:34:37,780 --> 00:34:35,570 any kind of toxicology report and they 679 00:34:41,290 --> 00:34:37,790 discovered there was no autopsy there 680 00:34:43,149 --> 00:34:41,300 was no toxicology which made them more 681 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:43,159 suspicious so they had to do the one 682 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:44,810 thing they don't like which is there to 683 00:34:51,220 --> 00:34:48,770 exhume the body and perform that autopsy 684 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:51,230 so they dug up the grave and they took 685 00:34:57,450 --> 00:34:53,450 the body to a morgue and they had a 686 00:35:00,820 --> 00:34:57,460 medical examiner go to examine him and 687 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:00,830 they discovered that the body was warm 688 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:05,210 oh and that he was actually still alive 689 00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:07,250 oh my god 690 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:10,000 that he was erroneously pronounced dead 691 00:35:16,750 --> 00:35:14,450 at the scene oh my and for whatever 692 00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:16,760 reason was quickly interned possibly 693 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:19,760 because the he was severely injured in 694 00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,930 the head and face and so he was buried 695 00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,240 rather quickly so here's the quirky 696 00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,640 thing had it not been for that 697 00:35:31,290 --> 00:35:30,560 suspicious circumstance that perfect 698 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:31,300 form 699 00:35:36,450 --> 00:35:33,690 a perfect storm I should say of of 700 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:36,460 elements coming together of that 701 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:38,650 insurance policy taken out so soon 702 00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:42,490 before the accident and filed so quickly 703 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:45,190 he would have died he was in a coma and 704 00:35:50,730 --> 00:35:47,290 had very little in the way of life's 705 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:50,740 signs and he would have died he would 706 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:51,970 have that coma would have become a 707 00:35:57,870 --> 00:35:55,210 permanent death maybe a day or so later 708 00:36:00,090 --> 00:35:57,880 if they hadn't dug up that body he end 709 00:36:02,220 --> 00:36:00,100 up living a long life there after being 710 00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:02,230 a bit of a celebrity and even developed 711 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:08,680 a coffin with a warning signal that if 712 00:36:13,890 --> 00:36:10,450 anyone was buried prematurely they could 713 00:36:19,260 --> 00:36:13,900 ring they could contact people and be 714 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:19,270 rescued so Wow so there so it's it's not 715 00:36:23,850 --> 00:36:21,730 paranormal but it sure is questionable 716 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:23,860 and mystery and mysterious it is 717 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:27,010 fascinating was anything did anything 718 00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:28,930 ever happened with the father was any 719 00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:33,520 mal-intent ever know it actually turned 720 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:37,750 out there was a malfunction in the 721 00:36:42,510 --> 00:36:41,290 motorcycle there was some some bolts 722 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:42,520 that had been stripped because they 723 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:45,970 didn't tighten down a little too too too 724 00:36:49,620 --> 00:36:47,890 tightly but that was that was all that 725 00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:49,630 caused the accident and it was just this 726 00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:54,070 really quirky coincidence of it all so 727 00:36:58,170 --> 00:36:56,110 that's that's the story well that 728 00:37:00,870 --> 00:36:58,180 reminds me a little bit of our friend 729 00:37:04,590 --> 00:37:00,880 Deborah Kaufman and her miniature show 730 00:37:08,370 --> 00:37:04,600 which I think you probably saw that had 731 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:08,380 to do with was it was kind of a cult 732 00:37:15,330 --> 00:37:13,210 thing back in the 19th and the 19th and 733 00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:15,340 18th century I'm going to say that 734 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:17,470 people were terrified of being buried 735 00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:25,170 alive well yes yes yes and there it was 736 00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:27,670 you know there was all sorts of things 737 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:30,040 that went on and and people there was 738 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:33,610 not an uncommon condition to have a 739 00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:38,890 cattle cataleptic seizures which would 740 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:42,550 basically put you into a coma that you 741 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:43,330 look dead 742 00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:46,690 so you know there there are things in 743 00:37:53,550 --> 00:37:50,320 our modern cultures such as a dead 744 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:53,560 ringer which is the bell that would be 745 00:37:59,010 --> 00:37:55,450 put down into the grave there that 746 00:38:01,920 --> 00:37:59,020 someone could ring if they woke and the 747 00:38:04,290 --> 00:38:01,930 graveyard shift was also someone that 748 00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:04,300 that worked the late shift to keep an 749 00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:06,190 eye on the grave so that if anyone they 750 00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:07,750 heard any knocking or anything make sure 751 00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:10,270 that someone was rescued I'm sorry about 752 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:15,400 this to me they're calling right now 753 00:38:20,820 --> 00:38:18,130 yeah well it'd be awful you get buried 754 00:38:26,910 --> 00:38:20,830 alive and you have your cell phone and 755 00:38:33,420 --> 00:38:26,920 there's no service messages you haven't 756 00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:33,430 paid your bill inside week wait yeah 757 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:48,640 that would not be a happy soy I'm with 758 00:38:55,470 --> 00:38:53,170 you Kate sounds like you know you've got 759 00:38:58,140 --> 00:38:55,480 some really fascinating stories coming 760 00:39:00,570 --> 00:38:58,150 up I I was lucky enough to see two of 761 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:00,580 the shows online now why don't you tell 762 00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,410 us when the shows actually air sure they 763 00:39:11,940 --> 00:39:08,640 air at 10:00 p.m. on Wednesday evenings 764 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:11,950 on Investigation Discovery which is also 765 00:39:15,810 --> 00:39:13,810 known as ID it's worth as one of the 766 00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:15,820 Discovery Channel's Investigation 767 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:19,990 Discovery okay and how many have you 768 00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:22,960 gotten a can there so far we did the 769 00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:25,480 initial order was four six they wanted 770 00:39:30,410 --> 00:39:27,220 to see how this worked and what the 771 00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:30,420 reception is and the good news is that 772 00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:33,550 the response has been just wonderful and 773 00:39:39,810 --> 00:39:36,280 they are seriously considering doing a 774 00:39:41,940 --> 00:39:39,820 second season and we're in talks right 775 00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:41,950 now to see if what's if that's gonna be 776 00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:45,580 done and it's we're looking forward to 777 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:46,630 this because like I said the response 778 00:39:52,650 --> 00:39:49,330 has been very very strong and and is 779 00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:52,660 does your friend of power have anything 780 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:55,720 to do with this or he's no yeah no 781 00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:56,770 tellers not directly 782 00:40:00,960 --> 00:39:59,200 involved in this at all but he is a he 783 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:00,970 really likes the show and he likes what 784 00:40:06,210 --> 00:40:03,610 we're doing and it looks like we were 785 00:40:08,970 --> 00:40:06,220 some talks about this but it looks like 786 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:08,980 in next year we'll be doing a production 787 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:14,170 of play dead in Las Vegas yes so that's 788 00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:16,810 all so we're kind of being hired not and 789 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:18,760 if the scheduling works out I will end 790 00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:21,370 up doing it there but things are 791 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:22,950 percolating around with this 792 00:40:27,390 --> 00:40:25,510 continuation of true true nightmare so 793 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:27,400 we'll see how it all shakes down I think 794 00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:30,610 true nightmares is going to become like 795 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:34,030 a cult classic that whether it's on an 796 00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,270 any current moment on television it's 797 00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,520 always going to be rerunning and you're 798 00:40:45,090 --> 00:40:42,240 going to be a rich man as a result of it 799 00:40:48,030 --> 00:40:45,100 I wanted to bring one thing to your 800 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:48,040 attention topper and that is a story you 801 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:50,410 might want to follow up on that is 802 00:41:02,040 --> 00:40:54,130 really current has to do with a fellow 803 00:41:04,770 --> 00:41:02,050 in India and they he was a yogi and he 804 00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:04,780 was a guru of some sort of guru of some 805 00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:08,800 sort in India he had a community and a 806 00:41:16,620 --> 00:41:12,420 cult following and so forth and 807 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:16,630 apparently he went down to meditate lay 808 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:18,610 down to meditate and said that he was 809 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:21,490 going to be meditating for a long time 810 00:41:28,290 --> 00:41:24,730 with no food he went into a state of 811 00:41:32,730 --> 00:41:28,300 suspended animation and he apparently 812 00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:32,740 died or so it was thought well his 813 00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:35,470 followers kept his body they're saying 814 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:38,500 that he was in suspended animation for 815 00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:42,250 about a year now as of six months ago 816 00:41:50,190 --> 00:41:45,070 his family wanted him to be declared 817 00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:50,200 dead because they wanted to claim his 818 00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:52,510 fortune which I I don't know if it was a 819 00:41:59,400 --> 00:41:55,990 huge fortune but by I suppose by rural 820 00:42:02,970 --> 00:41:59,410 Indian standards it was sizable and so 821 00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:02,980 there ensued a legal battle as to 822 00:42:07,350 --> 00:42:05,020 whether or not this gentleman was 823 00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,360 actually in suspended animation or 824 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:09,280 whether he was actually dead that might 825 00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:10,330 make an interesting so 826 00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:12,790 for you yeah it definitely is worth 827 00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:14,920 looking and following up on you know 828 00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:17,110 also it ties into something bigger in 829 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:19,660 that it's it's very easy to say that 830 00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:22,090 they're after his money in his fortune 831 00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:24,190 but there's also a sense of closure that 832 00:42:30,210 --> 00:42:28,000 is needed that if the followers want him 833 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:30,220 to the do insist that he's still alive 834 00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:34,570 and still you know supporting what they 835 00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:36,910 feel and believe that's one thing but if 836 00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,760 he is truly gone there their need 837 00:42:46,620 --> 00:42:41,440 there's a need for closure it's sort of 838 00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:46,630 you know the the mi a dilemma 839 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:50,470 that people have in that they have no 840 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:51,850 closure because they don't know what 841 00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:54,130 what the the final outcome is and it 842 00:43:01,320 --> 00:42:56,260 just might be that they just want to 843 00:43:04,530 --> 00:43:01,330 bury the guy to definitely put an end to 844 00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:04,540 it all and and say their goodbyes so 845 00:43:08,490 --> 00:43:06,430 they at least have that because that 846 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:08,500 that is very much a process of life yes 847 00:43:16,620 --> 00:43:11,770 it is and in his case perhaps a barrage 848 00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,630 on the Ganges but that's interesting you 849 00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:18,880 say that Todd because obviously you do 850 00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:21,000 deal in these nightmares and sort of 851 00:43:27,210 --> 00:43:24,910 true type occurrences but yet you have a 852 00:43:32,370 --> 00:43:27,220 real appreciation of the everyday as 853 00:43:37,350 --> 00:43:32,380 well yeah you know it all comes from who 854 00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:37,360 we are as people and our needs and you 855 00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,350 know with with my upbringing there 856 00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:42,880 definitely was something there that was 857 00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:45,580 beyond the physical needs we had 858 00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:49,030 everything and I think this is a common 859 00:43:53,310 --> 00:43:51,190 common theme throughout everyone that 860 00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:53,320 you could have everything given to you 861 00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:56,910 in terms of food and shelter and comfort 862 00:44:02,730 --> 00:44:00,400 but at some point there there are 863 00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:02,740 greater things that you need to deal 864 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:04,150 with and everyone has their own way of 865 00:44:09,420 --> 00:44:06,610 pursuing that for me I just knew that 866 00:44:11,610 --> 00:44:09,430 there was just more to life and 867 00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:11,620 experience than what I was experiencing 868 00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,120 it wasn't that when I was again 869 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:14,800 experiencing was bad and just the 870 00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:17,890 opposite it was it was ideal it was what 871 00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:20,980 many people dreamed and hope for it in 872 00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:21,790 their lives 873 00:44:28,339 --> 00:44:23,440 and yet there was just some 874 00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:28,349 thing something more there and that's 875 00:44:33,210 --> 00:44:30,910 that was my own sort of quest that has 876 00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:33,220 led me to who I am today and what I'm 877 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:36,190 doing but we all have that I think and 878 00:44:42,510 --> 00:44:38,410 and this certainly what you're doing 879 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:42,520 here is asking questions about people's 880 00:44:48,270 --> 00:44:43,050 needs 881 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:48,280 yeah how does your feel how are they how 882 00:44:53,579 --> 00:44:51,970 do they react to your life well the nice 883 00:44:58,530 --> 00:44:53,589 thing about it is I had great parents 884 00:45:01,500 --> 00:44:58,540 they're no longer with us and they their 885 00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:01,510 their mantra from the very beginning was 886 00:45:08,670 --> 00:45:04,380 as long as you lead a productive life 887 00:45:10,170 --> 00:45:08,680 and you do no harm to yourself or anyone 888 00:45:12,809 --> 00:45:10,180 else 889 00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:12,819 you should really pursue whatever you 890 00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:15,280 need to pursue well you were fortunate 891 00:45:22,349 --> 00:45:19,599 yes it's a it's a wonderful thing and 892 00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:22,359 it's how I'm my wife and I are raising 893 00:45:28,140 --> 00:45:25,270 our child and I wish there was more of 894 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:28,150 that there's a great deal of comfort to 895 00:45:36,050 --> 00:45:32,410 hatred and and suppression and 896 00:45:40,770 --> 00:45:36,060 repression and all the other actions 897 00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:40,780 that are out there and you know freedom 898 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:46,000 is is is filled with a great deal of 899 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:49,810 risk yeah exactly 900 00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:53,050 and it's not easy not easy at all it's 901 00:45:58,980 --> 00:45:55,089 much easier to have a small closed mind 902 00:46:00,690 --> 00:45:58,990 on things so and I you know I don't mind 903 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:00,700 I actually think skepticism is a 904 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:02,410 wonderful thing but not when it lapses 905 00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:07,690 into cynicism exactly so do you have 906 00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,390 brothers and sisters I have an older 907 00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:11,920 brother who's always insisted he's an 908 00:46:24,089 --> 00:46:19,089 only child and we get along very well he 909 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:24,099 lives out in California and likes a we 910 00:46:29,609 --> 00:46:26,770 get along very well and I you know the 911 00:46:34,559 --> 00:46:29,619 the court order keeps me uh you know 20 912 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:34,569 feet away from him exactly so this is 913 00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:36,930 not an issue but now 914 00:46:42,500 --> 00:46:38,940 along very well and it lives up in the 915 00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:42,510 Big Bear area just a lovely area in the 916 00:46:45,620 --> 00:46:43,920 mountains yeah it's very very nice a 917 00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:45,630 place well if you're the visiting uncle 918 00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:47,430 do you pull quarters out from your 919 00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,880 nephews and nieces yours oh yeah yes 920 00:46:56,450 --> 00:46:53,520 that was the the thing he started his 921 00:47:02,720 --> 00:46:56,460 family long before I did started mine 922 00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:02,730 and so I was the crazy uncle it was 923 00:47:08,809 --> 00:47:04,770 doing you know hypnosis with them when 924 00:47:13,069 --> 00:47:08,819 they were seven years old and always 925 00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:13,079 doing some sort of thing that yeah it 926 00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:16,680 was like okay well that's that's all 927 00:47:25,940 --> 00:47:22,319 right yeah it was very funny because one 928 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:25,950 one Christmas I was out there and they 929 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:28,170 lived also in a suburban community and 930 00:47:34,819 --> 00:47:30,210 my brother was in industrial real estate 931 00:47:38,020 --> 00:47:34,829 and his his wife was a schoolteacher and 932 00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:38,030 they had a lovely lovely home and into 933 00:47:47,530 --> 00:47:41,579 two lovely kids and there was just an 934 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:47,540 abundance she my sister-in-law had a 935 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:51,930 nice family Italian family and it so 936 00:47:56,780 --> 00:47:54,170 that the holidays were just big 937 00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:56,790 extravaganzas almost to the point of 938 00:48:02,990 --> 00:48:01,680 excess and the kids had so many toys and 939 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:03,000 things to open that they couldn't even 940 00:48:07,309 --> 00:48:05,609 been fully unwrapped everything they 941 00:48:09,140 --> 00:48:07,319 would be ripping things open to see what 942 00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:09,150 they are and saying thank you and moving 943 00:48:14,569 --> 00:48:12,720 on to the next gift and I would always 944 00:48:17,740 --> 00:48:14,579 try to connect go against that and I 945 00:48:20,839 --> 00:48:17,750 remember one time they had 946 00:48:24,859 --> 00:48:20,849 remote-controlled things and a Barbie 947 00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:24,869 mansion with the pool and the spa at 948 00:48:32,349 --> 00:48:28,319 this and that yeah and I found in a 949 00:48:34,970 --> 00:48:32,359 little store in the village a little 950 00:48:36,980 --> 00:48:34,980 thing it was a little propeller on the 951 00:48:39,500 --> 00:48:36,990 end of a stick and you hold it between 952 00:48:40,849 --> 00:48:39,510 your hands between your two palms and 953 00:48:42,500 --> 00:48:40,859 you move your palms in opposite 954 00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,510 direction and it shoots up like a 955 00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,880 helicopter into the air I know that yeah 956 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:47,040 yeah and comes down and Greta and they 957 00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,170 it was hand-painted all rainbow 958 00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:51,359 color and I gave them a number of things 959 00:48:54,799 --> 00:48:52,470 but these were the ones that kind of 960 00:48:57,530 --> 00:48:54,809 held back towards the end and they open 961 00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:57,540 it what's this mm-hmm and I said come 962 00:49:03,020 --> 00:48:59,819 out to the front lawn and I'll show you 963 00:49:06,230 --> 00:49:03,030 and we went out there and played for an 964 00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:06,240 hour and a half with that and it was a 965 00:49:12,859 --> 00:49:09,089 stick it was a stick with a little wood 966 00:49:16,789 --> 00:49:12,869 feller on it and it was the hit of the 967 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:16,799 Christmas and it just it excited their 968 00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:18,210 imagination because all of a sudden he 969 00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:20,430 was like say who who could go higher who 970 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:21,599 who could do things where they could 971 00:49:25,579 --> 00:49:23,970 play like football with it and and and 972 00:49:28,190 --> 00:49:25,589 and shoot it and somebody could run and 973 00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:28,200 grab it and make games out of it and it 974 00:49:31,549 --> 00:49:28,980 was just 975 00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,559 we're just fun that way and that's the 976 00:49:36,589 --> 00:49:33,839 kind of that's what I've always liked 977 00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,599 those those kind of just quirky little 978 00:49:41,690 --> 00:49:39,359 things that are so off beat well it 979 00:49:44,059 --> 00:49:41,700 sounds a lot like you have the same 980 00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:44,069 point of view as mr. Henning did the 981 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:47,220 wonderment of life and that's a 982 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:49,650 wonderful wonderful place to be that's a 983 00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:53,010 that's a very sort of enriching and 984 00:50:00,140 --> 00:49:57,270 heartwarming place to be before we say 985 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:00,150 goodbye to you is it possible that you 986 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:04,290 could do two things one of which is tell 987 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:07,530 us one more story from the show so that 988 00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:08,970 people will true nightmares through 989 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:11,220 nightmares and then give yourself a 990 00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:12,930 little commercial there and and we'll 991 00:50:21,819 --> 00:50:19,049 say sayonara certainly certainly let's 992 00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:21,829 see what you was a sergeant Chappell 993 00:50:27,530 --> 00:50:25,200 there was sergeant sergeant schap was an 994 00:50:29,420 --> 00:50:27,540 interesting story it kind of ties into a 995 00:50:32,539 --> 00:50:29,430 lot of what we were we're talking about 996 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:32,549 but it has a very very very twisted and 997 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:34,890 actually said ending he was one of these 998 00:50:40,460 --> 00:50:38,210 guys are believed in Lee in the the 999 00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,470 American dream that you go to a good 1000 00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:42,000 school you get a good job you meet the 1001 00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:44,400 right woman you start a family and that 1002 00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:47,220 is what life is all about but we know 1003 00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:50,760 for anyone who's lived in a time knows 1004 00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:52,740 that the road of life is not a 1005 00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,440 straight-ahead highway it has many 1006 00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:57,119 twists and turns you have to be prepared 1007 00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:57,480 for that 1008 00:51:01,090 --> 00:51:00,720 and he really wasn't he went through 1009 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:01,100 school 1010 00:51:06,970 --> 00:51:04,210 we had the job in the family business 1011 00:51:09,070 --> 00:51:06,980 met a beautiful woman named Diane and 1012 00:51:13,180 --> 00:51:09,080 they started to have a family but she 1013 00:51:17,170 --> 00:51:13,190 had a miscarriage and then another and a 1014 00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,180 third and at that point he decided it 1015 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:19,760 was too dangerous for her to get 1016 00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:21,290 pregnant again and that it was his 1017 00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:22,790 responsibility because he was a very 1018 00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,280 responsible individual he knew what he 1019 00:51:30,460 --> 00:51:28,160 wanted and what was right and so he had 1020 00:51:35,110 --> 00:51:30,470 a vasectomy at a very young age rather 1021 00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:35,120 young age and decided that there needed 1022 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:36,950 to be more of a change in life to kind 1023 00:51:45,220 --> 00:51:40,490 of clean the slate so he joined the army 1024 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:45,230 and he went off to Germany to work with 1025 00:51:55,140 --> 00:51:50,330 a helicopter Corps there and he was 1026 00:52:04,480 --> 00:51:58,540 ascended through the ranks and would go 1027 00:52:07,450 --> 00:52:04,490 off on training training sessions last 1028 00:52:09,370 --> 00:52:07,460 yeah month or so and he would go off on 1029 00:52:11,380 --> 00:52:09,380 this and go off there and come back and 1030 00:52:13,210 --> 00:52:11,390 and it was fine for him because it was 1031 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:13,220 always a challenge but his wife was 1032 00:52:18,580 --> 00:52:16,250 living a very isolated life she was had 1033 00:52:23,470 --> 00:52:18,590 no family had very few in the way of 1034 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:23,480 friends most of the guys around were 1035 00:52:27,130 --> 00:52:25,490 kind of young and ahead and started 1036 00:52:29,170 --> 00:52:27,140 their own family yet and so there really 1037 00:52:31,570 --> 00:52:29,180 wasn't much and of course you didn't 1038 00:52:35,950 --> 00:52:31,580 have children to take care of and focus 1039 00:52:37,420 --> 00:52:35,960 upon and she felt very isolated and he 1040 00:52:40,450 --> 00:52:37,430 was just hoping that she would find 1041 00:52:46,990 --> 00:52:40,460 someone that she could talk to and she 1042 00:52:53,350 --> 00:52:47,000 did oops and she had what happened was 1043 00:52:54,910 --> 00:52:53,360 that he came home one day and she wasn't 1044 00:52:58,980 --> 00:52:54,920 there and he got a call that she was in 1045 00:53:01,720 --> 00:52:58,990 the hospital and rushed to her side and 1046 00:53:03,940 --> 00:53:01,730 she had gone to the hospital that 1047 00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:03,950 morning because she was bleeding hmm 1048 00:53:11,660 --> 00:53:08,570 because she was pregnant hmm he couldn't 1049 00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:11,670 quite understand that I mean how cuz 1050 00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:13,619 how could his wife be pregnant because 1051 00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:17,040 he had the vasectomy and how how could 1052 00:53:23,780 --> 00:53:20,990 that be and so he sought out the answer 1053 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:23,790 and the answer was that she was having 1054 00:53:30,530 --> 00:53:26,490 an affair with his best friend 1055 00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,540 oh ouch and that she was tired of 1056 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:32,640 looking at her husband every day and 1057 00:53:38,569 --> 00:53:35,970 just saw nothing but failure and an 1058 00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:38,579 awful restrictive life and that she saw 1059 00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:41,609 something in the smile and the eyes of 1060 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:45,119 that other man that made her life worth 1061 00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,930 living and this is what he saw and so he 1062 00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:54,240 confronted he ran off and confronted 1063 00:53:58,609 --> 00:53:56,280 found his best friend and confronted him 1064 00:54:00,559 --> 00:53:58,619 about it and it was a very heated 1065 00:54:02,950 --> 00:54:00,569 exchange and ended up taking a large 1066 00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:02,960 knife and decapitating his best friend 1067 00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:06,839 and bringing the severed head and 1068 00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:08,760 putting it on her nightstand in the hope 1069 00:54:25,510 --> 00:54:11,609 in the hospital thing you can look at 1070 00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:28,839 tell us have you had any paranormal 1071 00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:34,680 experiences of your own I really haven't 1072 00:54:48,579 --> 00:54:45,510 I you know I don't know what would have 1073 00:54:51,859 --> 00:54:48,589 been expected of a young man back then 1074 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:51,869 you know no he I mean as far as a career 1075 00:55:00,339 --> 00:54:56,490 you know not starting a family when you 1076 00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:00,349 were 21 and all that business but maybe 1077 00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,540 I maybe it has something to do with the 1078 00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:05,520 fact that I've never needed a paranormal 1079 00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:07,049 experience that I've gotten everything 1080 00:55:12,289 --> 00:55:09,780 yeah in this lifetime and whose nothing 1081 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:12,299 that anyone had is passed on can really 1082 00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:14,730 bring to me now there's no no regrets 1083 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:17,460 there's no no real unfinished business 1084 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:21,810 that needs to be taken care of 1085 00:55:26,330 --> 00:55:24,690 I've never you know seen the lights in 1086 00:55:29,150 --> 00:55:26,340 the sky and been abducted or anything 1087 00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,160 like that maybe speak just because maybe 1088 00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:30,480 I haven't noticed it because I've been 1089 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:32,250 so focused on other things I don't know 1090 00:55:36,890 --> 00:55:34,410 I don't know what it is if I get to 1091 00:55:40,220 --> 00:55:36,900 levitate without the aid of all 1092 00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:40,230 mechanical devices I'm going over and 1093 00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:42,390 levitate for you and Finn and your 1094 00:55:49,550 --> 00:55:46,200 lovely wife yeah the bar door is always 1095 00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:49,560 open for that believe you could be the 1096 00:56:04,460 --> 00:56:02,060 so so give us a little a little 1097 00:56:08,380 --> 00:56:04,470 commercial again tell us that the 1098 00:56:12,260 --> 00:56:08,390 website the didn't turn nightmares 1099 00:56:14,540 --> 00:56:12,270 nightmares yes to true nightmares is on 1100 00:56:17,020 --> 00:56:14,550 investigation discovery 10 p.m. every 1101 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:17,030 Wednesday or you can go to Trillo to 1102 00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:20,970 investigationdiscovery.com and find true 1103 00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,800 nightmares there and it has all kinds of 1104 00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:24,240 information there including football 1105 00:56:28,490 --> 00:56:26,430 episodes that you can watch online if 1106 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:28,500 you miss the broadcast you can also if 1107 00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:30,330 you miss any of this go to my website 1108 00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:34,530 which is Todd Robbins comm and it's all 1109 00:56:41,420 --> 00:56:39,270 there and and that's that's all and 1110 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:41,430 might might my son Finn has just walked 1111 00:56:48,110 --> 00:56:42,810 in the room here you want to say hello 1112 00:56:50,990 --> 00:56:48,120 to everyone there you go he's a good kid 1113 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:51,000 and I've got I've got the greatest wife 1114 00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:53,130 ever and that she allowed me to name our 1115 00:56:56,180 --> 00:56:55,380 son after one of my favorite people he 1116 00:57:03,080 --> 00:56:56,190 is Phineas 1117 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:03,090 Taylor Robbins named after Barnum so but 1118 00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:05,850 rather than looking like a PT Barnum he 1119 00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:08,880 ended up looking like another fin whose 1120 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:12,960 first name is huckleberry yes he's a 1121 00:57:19,580 --> 00:57:14,930 good kid and matter-of-fact 1122 00:57:22,970 --> 00:57:19,590 just shot a pilot for HBO in which he's 1123 00:57:27,830 --> 00:57:22,980 playing Maggie Gyllenhaal's son on the 1124 00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:27,840 new new series called The Dukes which is 1125 00:57:34,660 --> 00:57:32,030 about 42nd Street in the 1970s and it 1126 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:34,670 the executive producer and star of it as 1127 00:57:40,300 --> 00:57:36,410 James Franco so hopefully that'll be 1128 00:57:46,270 --> 00:57:40,310 picked up you'll be singing yes and then 1129 00:57:48,990 --> 00:57:46,280 I can retire all of you and thank you so 1130 00:57:52,990 --> 00:57:49,000 much and thank you for being on 1131 00:57:54,820 --> 00:57:53,000 shattered reality now todd has been 1132 00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:54,830 wonderful speaking to you thank you so 1133 00:58:03,460 --> 00:58:01,280 much thank you and take care so that was 1134 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:03,470 a great show yeah that was a very good 1135 00:58:11,230 --> 00:58:05,450 show I hope everybody enjoyed it very 1136 00:58:14,950 --> 00:58:11,240 much good and we have some upcoming 1137 00:58:19,300 --> 00:58:14,960 future guests who should be exciting for 1138 00:58:23,820 --> 00:58:19,310 our shattered reality listeners some 1139 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:23,830 perhaps you know possibilities for a 1140 00:58:34,450 --> 00:58:28,130 dystopian future that may be coming up 1141 00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:34,460 for us people who may see the idea of an 1142 00:58:42,430 --> 00:58:38,050 electromagnetic current a big blast 1143 00:58:46,690 --> 00:58:42,440 coming towards the the earth that may in 1144 00:58:49,690 --> 00:58:46,700 fact shut down all of our electrical 1145 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:49,700 appliances and computers that's one 1146 00:58:56,740 --> 00:58:53,050 fellow who may be coming on mr. Paul 1147 00:59:03,240 --> 00:58:56,750 Laviolette who has told us he will 1148 00:59:06,970 --> 00:59:03,250 appear and also another gentleman who is 1149 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:06,980 named guy McPherson who sees our end 1150 00:59:12,190 --> 00:59:09,130 coming in a different manner perhaps 1151 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:12,200 through greenhouse gases and methane 1152 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:14,330 escaping from the Arctic and other 1153 00:59:21,010 --> 00:59:17,570 places so we're hoping that you tune us 1154 00:59:23,980 --> 00:59:21,020 in for those programs as well as a 1155 00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:23,990 lovely woman a wonderful woman named PMH 1156 00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:26,810 Atwater who has promised to be on and 1157 00:59:34,330 --> 00:59:31,310 she unfortunately passed away several 1158 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:34,340 times but she's still alive today and 1159 00:59:40,990 --> 00:59:36,370 she came back with near-death 1160 00:59:45,609 --> 00:59:41,000 experiences and she is a big advocate 1161 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:45,619 for people who need to tell their truth 1162 00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:47,930 the near-death experience what they have 1163 00:59:54,549 --> 00:59:51,440 experienced she's been like a mentor and 1164 00:59:55,329 --> 00:59:54,559 a light in in in the darkness for those 1165 00:59:58,299 --> 00:59:55,339 folks 1166 01:00:01,269 --> 00:59:58,309 so for shadowed reality I'm for Russia